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So is anyone else making home made food for your fish?

I make a couple of types of food.  chopped frozen food and gel food bound with gelatine and agar.
I originally started making it for my fancy goldies, but feed it to everyone now.
http://thegab.org/Articles/GelFoodRecipes.html

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Well I have not tried any homemade food yet but have been thinking about it for a while. Im just worried my fish might already be spoiled on brine shrimp and bloodworms. With some of the adults I can barely get them to eat flake food anymore.

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I've always used a variant of Dr. Gordon's forumula, varying the formula by what I've kept. Dr. Gordon came up with a pretty darn good formula and so many cool variations make it interesting, though I don't make it in the quantities he originally suggested. Always found it a good change of pace for all my fish.

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So do you have a link?

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Just search for Dr. Gordon's formula or Myron Gordon's Forumula. It should come up. There are a couple of internet versions mentioned in one of the articles I saw a while back. If you can't find anything, message me offline, and I'll see what I've got on my computer.

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Here's another forumulation/spinoff of Dr. Gordon's forumula. I've used a variant of this in the past with no ill effects [difficult to quantify 'success' other than to say the fish ate it without a problem].

Jim's Beef Heart Recipe
by Jim Foreman
First published in Fincinnati, the official newsletter of the Greater Cincinnati Aquarium Society
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This article is similar to whipping a dead horse, but a number of people have asked how to make my beef heart fish food. The question always arises "Why this?" and "Why that?" so the next paragraph should be regarded as a brief "why" explanation.

A good deal of time was spent researching variations of beef heart recipes. One reference reported that a post mortem of a wild caught discus' stomach indicated that it contained greens and fruit fragments. Famous discus growers' recipes were analyzed and some effort was made to determine nutritional content. Let me be one of the first to tell you that nutritional requirement information for fish is about as plentiful as hens' teeth. Yet, some sources are saying "hole in the head" is the result of poor nutrition. How can they say that when there is no yardstick against which existing nutrition can be compared? Well what do you do to ensure your fish have a good diet? One answer is to use common sense and the success of the experts as a point of departure. All ingredients added to basic beef heart recipes were done so for a specific purpose, even though it may have been only to make it more acceptable to the target fish.

Ingredients
10 - 12 lbs beef heart
½ lg bag frozen peas
4 lbs ocean fish
2 lbs shrimp (Make sure it is raw)
4 bananas
2 pears
5 or 6 strawberries
1 bag spinach
8000 IU vitamin E
50 g vitamin C
50 good quality 1 a day type of multi vitamin
1 lb spirulina flakes
4 oz wheat germ
1 head cauliflower
High protein baby cereal

Directions
- Purchase 10 to 12 pounds of beef heart. Ask the butcher to remove all of the fat before grinding it. Emphasize all of the fat and tell him you do not mind paying for the fat as long as it is removed from the heart before grinding. I have found that more than half the work and mess is grinding the beef heart, so I have the butcher do it.
- Place the ground beef heart in a large bowl. Now make sure this is a really large bowl or pan so you do not get into the position of trying to put 10 lbs of manure into a 5 lb bag.
- Next, you are going to grind ingredients. After grinding, put each into the beef heart mixing bowl or pan. - Measure out about half (1 to 1 ½ cups) of the frozen peas and grind them while still frozen.
- Clean the fish, and, if not already done, remove bones. Grind.
- Clean and grind the shrimp.
- Peel the bananas and grind.
- Wash the pear well, core and grind.
- Clean the strawberries, wash well and grind.
- Clean the cauliflower, discarding stringy part of stems, grind.
- Grind vitamin E directly into the mixture.
- Using a mortar, pulverize the multi vitamins and vitamin C, put into mixture a little at a time while stirring to insure good mixing.
- Wheat germ. The fish will not eat the small seed-like grains, so I try to grind it the best I can with the mortar. The better you can grind it, the more will be eaten.
- Baby cereal - last item: mix every thing but the baby cereal, making sure it is mixed well. Use the baby cereal as a thickener. I find if it is stirred in a little at a time, it will absorb much of the cloudy appearance one gets with other recipes. Do not put too much cereal in, or the mixture will not hold together.

Bagging:
You may need to be inventive here, but I will describe what I do. Zip lock style bags are used; I found that bags about 6" x 7" filled so that when flattened are about 3/8" thick approximate one pound of food. Before you start bagging, you need to understand that food in the zipper ruins the seal and you will get freezer burn. We have a pot sized melitta for making coffee (it is like a funnel with a 1 1/4 in. dia hole) that I stick into the bag to drop the food through. Next, the zipper is zipped all but shut and all possible air is worked out of the zipper opening and the bag sealed. Think you are done? Well almost! Next, a rolling pin is used to roll the bag flat before putting it into the freezer. Take care to remove as much of the air as possible.

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Cool. thanks for the links.

I won't feed beef heart because it's too high in cholesterol and the essential fatty acid profile is way off. i don't feed any land animal meats to my fish for that reason. I will feed egg whites tho. I also won't use grains because they result in gas in the GI tract for some fancy goldfish (which are prone to buoyancy issues). Note also the recipe above is fairly high in simple sugars. From the few studies I've found so far, fish get hyperglycemic when fed a diet too high in simple sugars. I only feed fruits occasionally.

Here's some data pulled from the USDA nutrient database.
mg of cholesterol per 100 grams of food
28mg Mussle
30mg Surimi
33mg Scallop
34mg Clams
37mg Cod
42mg Tuna canned
50mg Oysters
50mg Snails
60mg Whitefish
61mg Sardines
66mg Carp
67mg Whiting
79mg Mackerel
82mg Salmon
85mg Anchovies
114mg crayfish
152mg Shrimp
180mg Beef Heart
233mg Squid

the omega 3 to omega 6 fatty acid ratio is also off for beef heart.
483mg/18mg Mussle
419mg/10mg Surimi
215mg/4mg Scallop
198mg/16mg Clams
221mg/6mg Cod
951mg/55mg Tuna canned
740mg/32mg Oysters
218mg/17mg Snails
1604mg/272mg Whitefish
1693mg/123mg Sardines
704mg/517mg Carp
276mg/20mg Whiting
1377mg/99mg Mackerel
1210mg/95mg Salmon
2113mg/362mg Anchovies
184mg/52mg crayfish
540mg/28mg Shrimp
11mg/407mg Beef Heart
496mg/2mg Squid

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While true that the beef products are difficult proteins, they do work, especally for larger fish. I have used fish in larger proportions over the years so that beef heart and liver are only 20-30% of the food. That seems to work well enough; right now I've got cory's spawning as I type, RT Goodeids dropping fry and Red Swords starting to pop from two different females; this happy bounty is from feeding fish pellets, some flake food, and my own frozen mixture. The food is good and the water changes frequent [usually]. In other tanks I've got 3 different cichlid species in varying stages of spawning or rearing fry in overstocked/crowded tanks.

Posted on: 2009/4/26 17:36
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